Gamer Dad Kronicles: Nick Part 2

Hello everybody and welcome again to another edition of Gamer Dad Chronicles with your host Kleerfyre. I am back again with the great eight and wonderful Nick Thymianos to do our part two and actually get into some of the dad gaming where we didn't really get too much into that last time. So, Nick, how are you doing tonight? I'm doing great, bud. How are you? I'm surviving. That's the best I can say. Like I was telling you earlier, new dog, kid, other dog. It's a mad house here. Our son had the doctor said that he did not have hand, foot and mouth, but he had like the symptoms and stuff. So he was just raging all weekend with that and we did not get any sleep. The poor guy, thankfully, we didn't get it. So that's a plus. But yeah, like you, that just never stops with this guy. Poor guy is always sick. We've gone through the hand, foot and mouth stuff, had that run through one of the daycares my child was at. And it's not fun at all. No, but a plus. I'm sorry, I don't mean to cut first. Go ahead. Well, I was going to say is that the only plus out of this since my son was out of the daycare, bronchitis was going while he was gone. Wow. He would have gotten both if he would have gotten both. That poor kid would have been through hell. That's a nightmare. Yeah, we've done that. And the funny thing is actually one of the spells of hand, foot and mouth, my brother in law actually was the one that got it. And he doesn't do anything with the kids or anything. He got it from his work some weird random way. And so, yeah, it was just really weird that he actually got it. And I hate hand, foot and mouth. It's just one of those things. It's just like, no, stay far away from me. Yes, I know. Right now this kid was all over me. I'm just happy I never got it because I know as an adult, it's just so much worse from what I've been hearing. So I'm like, all right, well, I'm thankful I did not get it. Me and my brother in law are the same age. And when he got it, it put him down. It was not pretty. It was rough on him. All right, well, we'll jump out of this fantastic talk of hand, foot and mouth disease and we'll jump into some fun questions about gaming as a dad. So I'm just going to throw out some random questions. It's not going to be in any particular order. It's just going to be let's see what we can hit on and what we can catch. I've got about 1015 questions here. Hopefully we can cover them all. So the first one I want to throw out to you is, in your opinion, what is the best game to start a kid out on? platformer. I would say a style of game. I want to say platformer, probably because we've all started with Super Mario, at least our generation. Right? So it's always a left right kind of platformer. I actually want to get my son when he has a little bit more of that dexterity and understand what games he's playing. I want him to use my classic SNES and I'll start with like Super Mario World or something like that. And I feel him branching out from there will work. And also just to be fun because I know my wife is able to play platformers too, so she could be able to play with him or Mario Kart or something like that. So starting something simple for him to kind of grasp mechanics, I think we'll do better for him if he wanted to maintain that interest. Okay, so I guess I'll use that question to kind of segue into this one is, do you think they should start like, we had to start with the eight big games and slowly moved up through the systems graphic changes and actually learn it the real way? I want to say yes and no. They have the opportunity to try both at the same time. So that's also fun. I mean, I still play like retro style games. Like Dead Cells is still on the very top of my list of any Metroidvania games. Like Dead Cells is amazing and it's simplistic art style and everything like that. So it wouldn't hurt for him to know his roots. Do I expect them to have shared the same emotional attachments as I would with the same games? And I was absolutely not. No. But it would be nice for them to understand like, oh, wow, this is where you come. This could be fun or no, this is terrible. I was like, oh, yeah, I could feel you on that. And that's why I'm more towards the middle with all that because he can still get an enjoyment out of it, or at least an understanding as he's playing his modern stuff. Yeah, I definitely feel you on that because they definitely not going to have the attachment like we did because we had nothing else to compare it to. They have so much to compare it to and just like almost too much to compare it to. So I kind of feel for our kids because you have a kid that's a little bit younger than mine and then your stepdaughter is a little bit older than mine. And so we have that range there where they just have just almost too much in their hands. They just have too much they can grab hold of. Oh, that's absolutely. Like my daughter, we got a bunch of Switch games and she only just wants to play Raymond on her PlayStation. So it's like, okay, awesome. And I'm sure my son's going to be the same way too. He's going to be like, I want this and this. Okay, cool. Oh, I want to play. Wow. I get on the computer or something like, okay, yeah, that's what's going to happen. Oh, yeah, I can definitely see that, especially with how kids are now. And yeah, everybody, I apologize. If you hear a dog barking in the background, I'm going to leave it in so you can understand the pain I'm going through with this new dog. He is very vocal and he lets us know his displeasure whenever he's not happy. So I apologize for the barking, but I'm going to leave it in there so you can get a good laugh at what I'm dealing with. All right, so here's another one. Just to throw out your way, do you think that kids should only play games that are rated for their age? I would like to say if they can be taught the difference. Now, I feel that still it's going to boil down on the parenting on that if the parent has absolutely no clue that this game has Gore and gratuitous violence and they're, like, super conservative in terms of want to maintain, like, a standard for the kids to play certain games, and they should be aware of that. But that's just whatever rules that they want to have in their house. I mean, am I expecting my kid to play a game? Like, let's say they make a new manhunt? Probably not, but he's like 13,14 years old. As he gets a little bit older and understands the world a bit more then yeah, maybe. Sure. But you got like, games like Call of Duty where it's just non stop, like military style combat and everything like that. Like, I get that they kind of made it more arcade, but I mean, if you're also trying to go for those, like, immersion things that are really dark, I guess it's just depending on the child and how they're raised. My son has any kind of emotional issues. I wouldn't want her to play, like, some hardcore horror game unless that's, like, his thing. But for me, I don't think I'd mind so much as long as it doesn't have anything, like, overly negative in there that might construe his thought process. Like, all of a sudden he has a jaded view or something. Like, why? Because of the game? Let's talk about it. Yeah, that's a good way of thinking on it, too, because that's probably one of the things I battle with thinking about my child, because as smart as he is, there's so many things that he's definitely immature in his age. But then there's definitely things that he's very mature beyond his age in. And I don't think his grasp of reality and not reality is one of the things that he's immature about. Because he watches Pokemon, all of a sudden he's going to become a Pokemon running around the house for the next two days. It's just he emulates whatever he sees on TV and becomes that for a while. And you know what? And that's another thing, too. If it's something that they really enjoy, they are going to emulate. They want to keep reiterating that kind of imagination, which is fine. I don't expect them to be doing terrible things or anything of that nature. But that's where I guess we come in as a parent and hey, this is wrong. Do you know this is a bad thing that you're doing in the game? Like, oh, yeah, I just played, like, a group of civilians in this house. And you're like, dude, you're only eight years old. I don't know if you should try that yet. I don't know. But again, I think I would have to be in that situation, see what he's experiencing, make that judgment instead of just this is how I feel right now. Yeah. And I agree with you on that too, because it's definitely a case by case situation Because some kids can handle things more mature than others, and it's just you have to gauge it. And the unfortunate thing for me is it looks like I'm going to have to pull back and not let him play as many of the more advanced games and get him on these basic ones. And he loves Mario Kart. We play Mario Kart eight, and he loves it on the switch. He asked me all the time, can we play Mario Kart eight? And I'm like, sure, let's play it. And poor kid, he just sticks on the sidewall almost the entire time. And he'll get, like 8th or 9th and think that's the best thing. But he's excited that he gets eight or 9th. That's good. That was Madison when she was a lot smaller or she'll be in my lap and then we're playing Batman, Arkham, Knight. She's like, turn left when I'm gliding left. It was like another like six months later when we're playing and she's like, oh, go left. Even. I'm like, no, I'm going to dive here to get to this. Hey, he didn't do what I wanted to do. Like, she started catching on, like, okay, honey, I'm sorry. Yeah. My child definitely slept through at a very early ages. Slept through a lot of my destiny playing. So I have these feelings that, like, when he gets older, he's going to be like, dad, why does this seem familiar? And I have to sit and explain him why he thinks that Oryx is a familiar thing. Because playing the Kings fall raid, the raid with the ORC and everything and destiny one. Okay, that was one of the raids that we played a lot with. Had the clan that we just Dove into. That rate love. That rate was fantastic. But, yeah, I just think that he's going to end up coming to me. Like, I have this weird memory. Can you explain this to me? All right, so let's see, let's jump around here. Here's one that's a great starter. When do you feel like it's a good time to introduce your kid to gaming? I know you've already introduced your stepchild, but now what do you think about your young? Well, Teddy already knows. He's usually like, if he wants to look for me, he'll initially come to my area where I'm always on the computer, whether watching something, doing homework, or playing games. So when he wants to watch me play games, he'll ask if we could hang out. So that's our code. Like he says, hang out, hang out. So he wants to sit on my lap and watch me play a game. If he wants me to play Red Dead Redemption, he'll say Horsey. He likes watching me ride the horse. Final Fantasy XIV those rare times where I'm able to get in because that queue. He'll say motorcycle because I bought the Fen Rear motorcycle from Final Fantasy Seven as a Mount in 14. Oh, yeah. So he says motorcycle for that. And then it depends on the game. Like, even in Guild Wars, I have a Griffin that I have, like a lion skin on, and so he'll say Lion, Lion. You'll get excited. He definitely attaches certain symbols in every game so that he'll tell me what he wants to see specifically. And that's a game that you'll sit in my lab and I'm just playing, and sometimes he'll grab a controller and just around. I remember handing my kid when he was younger the controller that's not plugged up to anything, not connected to anything, and just letting him go to town on it while I'm playing and thinking he's actually doing them playing. I used to actually do that with my baby brother and sister when they were the same age. So I think it just was just a very natural thing for me to do with Teddy especially. Okay, so let's see. We're moving to these questions faster than I thought we would. Let's see. All right, so here's one that kind of hits me pretty close. Do you share your gaming stuff or do you make them have their own? I share, but they're going to get their own. I mean, it's just really dependent on how well they take care of things. Madison showing me that she has a sense of responsibility. I gave her a switch just because I know she's not good at charging it's like, well, if you lose your charger, you misplaced that's on you. You're going to have to pay for a new one. So I'm also trying to instill a sense of responsibility and care in regards to their things. And that's the same thing I want to do for Teddy. As he gets older, I'm sure he's going to ask to play the computer. So I want to be in the same area with him just to make sure he's a rage monster kind of thing. It smashes a keyboard or if he needs help actually trying to work things so I can teach him. And then as he gets a little bit older, I would love to build him a new computer. I think that's for me, that's like my father son dream, is building a computer right next to him kind of thing. Until then, I'm willing to share. But as we get older, I'm sure he's going to want his own stuff, and then we play separately kind of thing. Well, as you know, I built a new computer. It glows half the time. You see the blue glowing from the side over here, because I made it ice blue and it's all white. I'm still trying to find my white graphics card. I got a 30 60 Ti, and I just want to find a white one, and it's so hard to find one. But I actually gave my son my old one, but I haven't cleaned it up and got it set up and fixed up for him yet. But that's what he's fixing to have soon. And then once he learns on that, then it's like, okay, let's build you one. This is what you got to do and make him do a lot of the work. I'm like you on that. It's like that's the exciting part is when I actually get to help him build a computer and he can build one for the first time, that's going to be a lot of fun to me. Oh, yeah, I can't wait. Oh, yeah. We might have to have a computer building party, get all together and build a couple of computers at the same time. That would be fun. Actually be expensive, but it'd be so fun. Yeah. And that's the frightening thing, too, especially with the graphics card market. That's what's going to kill us all. And prices aren't coming down anytime soon. I feel sorry for the people that are like, oh, yeah, prices are going to come down in the next year. Now, if anything, they're going to stay the same. I am so fortunate. I could not believe I got the last 3070. Yeah, you're very fortunate. I mean, I got lucky that I got this 3060 Ti from New Egg Shuffle before they started jacking their prices up. New Egg has definitely gone the way of having really high prices. It's been rough on the graphics card market, but that's definitely a long conversation for another time. All right, let's see the next question. Let's see you're burning through my questions quick here. Okay, here's a good one. How do you feel about kids in gaming online? That's one of the things that kind of worries me just because of being a gamer and hearing the foul language that comes from the quote, unquote squeakers. I guess as long as they're not obnoxious. I mean, I don't want to start cringing every time I hear a kid on the thing. They're talking. I'll watch my mouth. They're getting aggressive. I've never heard those kids. I always see the memes and everything about the kids saying that they're going to have it with my mother or my wife or something. I've never had that interaction. But I mean, like, every time I heard a kid, they might ask for help or something like, sure, okay, I don't ever want to be that person to give them a bad experience, but I've heard from other people they've had bad experiences with kids. I just don't understand what's the point? So if it got too much, like they're talking too much and they're not really asking for any help or they're just not contributing, then I'll just mute them. I don't think anything of it. And half the time, I'm not even in the voice channel with certain games on purpose just because of other people. Whether you got people thinking they could wrap or they got stuff going on in the background and they're constantly helping Mike. So I feel like I kind of just eliminate the whole. I just blanket remove all that. So I think that's priced. Yeah, the whole keeping the mics open all the time, it kills me because for a job, I have a lot of online meetings and it's like, mute your mic if you're not talking. And then, of course, when I come home and play games, it's like, dude, mute your mic if you're not talking. I don't want to hear your rap music in the background. I'm not here to listen to your music. I'm here to play the game. And the chat line is open if we need to communicate. So, yeah, I feel you on that. It's just rough. And I have had the bad experiences of a kid telling me that he wants to do terrible things to my mother. And I'm like, really, kid? You don't know me. You don't know where I am. And you're saying these awful, terrible things. And then to getting the wonderful, beautiful instant messages from them through either PlayStation Network or Xbox Live Network, saying dirty things in the chat. It's just like, really, kid? And it put me in a situation where I had to start saying, if you're under 18, I can't game with you just because you got to show me your maturity level for me to even try it. And I had to because it was just bad. So it just was all the time. So I definitely have had those bad experiences. And it shocked me that kids say that. It was like I was like, I said some bad stuff in my life. But man, this is just like, I never said anything like that when I was ten. And these kids are like eight, nine and ten saying this. And I'm thinking, my child's seven, and he's fixing he's in that range of some of those kids. And I'm like, I'm glad my kid does not know those words. He did. If I catch my kids playing games and they're doing that kind of stuff, then I'll take the stuff away from them because, I don't know, I'm not a big fan of the toxic gamers and whatnot. So then that just kind of facilitates it. And I'd rather like, okay, man, if you can't respect somebody, I don't care if you're upset with them, then you're not going to write on that. Yeah, you got to have respect. Respect for other gamers. And that's how I feel, especially for my kid when he's playing. If you don't have that respect for other gamers, you're just not going to play. All right, so what's one game you won't let your kid play New World? Why is that? No, I'm just kidding. I don't know. I just wanted to say that because they've been terrible. I really don't have any, like I mentioned, manhunt, but I don't have an Xbox or PS Two that he could actually load that up. I think that one is a bit much, but I don't really have anything that I feel like that would be inappropriate for them that I can think of off the top of my head. I mean, most of the games that I play are typically RPGs or MMOs, so I think that's where he might potentially lean to, because that's what he sees me playing. Very rarely will you see me play a shooter. Like, the most shooter game I have is Fallout. So it's like, yeah, again, I'm not even sure. I would just have to see what he's playing and just be familiar with it before I can make a decision typically. But I can't think of anything that exists right now that would bother me. My only one right now, off the top of my head that would bother me. For him playing would be GTA, just with Grand Theft Auto and some of the themes that go on in there, because you just have some stuff in there that especially with my kid having an issue of not separating what's reality and what's not. No, you can't play that yet. Now you're going to have to show a maturity level and that you understand the differences between real and fake that I could agree with. Yeah, that one scares me for kids. I mean, don't get me wrong, I like playing GTA, but it's like there's some very suggestive stuff in there. Don't be wrong. It's a fun game and you can play it so many different ways, especially with GTA Online. I love watching the videos of people doing the racing parkour in the air, and I'm like, how do you all come up with this stuff? It's just like insane to me. And I'm like, I still have to do this one day. I have to play this one day. But I've never played the GTA Online. It's not bad. I actually jumped on fairly recently because I wanted to unlock a special revolver for Red Dead. So there's like serial murderers in both games that you look for the trail. And then after doing so much, you'll unlock the revolver in Grand Theft Auto Online. And then once you unlock the revolver there, you have a challenge where you got to kill just 50 NPCs or players just kill 50 with that same gun and then it unlocks the pistol for Red Dead. So I thought it was pretty cool when I was doing all the unlocking. I was like, oh, I haven't done this in a while. So then it was kind of neat just seeing some of the little bits in there. But I mean, the game for me hasn't aged well enough, especially because I was jumping back and forth between that and Red Dead. And I'm like, okay, yeah, I kind of burned out on it to myself. I think after I got older, it's just like, just not a thing for me, although it does seem fun with the GTA online. All right, so do you have a funny gaming story with any of your kids at this point? No, not yet. Unfortunately, they're still too small. I guess I could say a funny gaming story would probably be when Doom Three first came out, that was like, I was like, oh man, that's like one of my first real big scary modern games. Aside from the first fear, the first fear was, oh, man, but my Doom Three, I had all the lights off, I had headphones on. I'm just like just rocking it and my mom comes sneaks in and just scares me. She just screams like. And she's just laughing hysterically. And I'm like, all right, I'm done because I was still in the early levels of Doom where everything keeps jumping out at you. The whole ambience. They did pretty well, at least in the beginning half of the game. They really knocked it out of park there. So yeah, then when she came in, she totally ruined it for me because she just made my heart race and everything like that. I guess that would be one of the funnier moments that she would like to bring up every now and then. That's a good one. I can't think of any funny ones off the top of my head for me right now, but I know I will have them, especially with my kids. I guess as creative he is as he is because he has got just a crazy creative mind. So it's going to be some crazy things and he wants to play Minecraft now. It's just trying to figure out, OK, how do I ease him into that and let him get into that world of Minecraft? And with the PC that he has, there is a graphics card and it's not a high powered one. It's like one of the Radeon like RX 280s or something like that, but something that can definitely run if he has a smartphone or an iPad or something like that. You could get Minecraft on there too. So I'm sure that other computer could run it. No problem. He's got one of the kids Fire tablets, so I might can side load it from there because I've put apps on there that's not in the Amazon app store. And I've learned how to do all the side Loading stuff, which that's a lot of fun with doing that. So the Amazon Fire tablets aren't supposed to have Netflix on them. And I've learned how to side load Netflix in there. So he has a Netflix now so he can watch all his Netflix stuff that he likes. That's pretty awesome. So it's fun. So I know how to take any because, I mean, the Amazon Fire tablets are built on Android, so it's all there. You just have to get under the system and go through the route and add it in. It's not too bad. It's a lot of fun. Nice. All right, I'll keep that in mind. All right, so the last question I have, but it's definitely not going to be the end of our conversation because I'll come up with some other stuff. But what are your top three games that you feel your kid or kids have to play? Number one always will be Chronic Trigger. I even told my baby brother because I got him to play that when he was twelve. And I was like, if I'm not around when Teddy turns twelve, you're going to have to pass that on. That's all I ask from you. He's like, okay, I guess I could do that. But Kroner Trigger will be the game that I want to introduce him to and maybe fall out. Probably have them at least see one and two. But you could play one of the more modern ones. Sure. There's going to be like a Fallout Seven by that point. I guess those are like my two biggest ones that are really important to me after that. I don't know. It just kind of depends on his taste. Those are like he's big into RPGs was a big fighting game. Okay. I could maybe play Killer Instinct with him, even though I get rocked every time I touch that. But those, I think, would be the two biggest games for sure that I want him to play, like one of the best RPGs ever and one of the best old school Western RPGs ever. Those are two great games. And definitely, you know, that probably wouldn't be in mind. But I like those games. And those games are definitely some great memories because, of course, with the RPGs, that's what me and Hollywood played all the time growing up. So that's just those great memories. It's thinking like, I want my kid to have some of these memories, but it's like you can't recreate your childhood for your kid. And so it's like, how do you give them their own memories of some of these great classic games? Well, that's all the questions I had written down and prepared, and, guys, I'm sorry. My dog is just going crazy. We've only had him, like, four days now, and he's six months old, and he's barking his head off, and he doesn't come when you call his name. So I apologize, guys, for the barking background. I'll cut out as much as I can, but I want to continue a little bit of our conversation that we had from our first part where we started talking about DND and tabletop RPGs, and the question that I actually posted on our Facebook page for everyone that's following the Facebook page, how interested are you in doing a virtual tabletop game? Well, I mean, I'm always interested. Like I told you before, we play Role 20, and we just finished my friend's home brew campaign. We're starting a new one, actually, in January in the Five E. So this is the first time we're actually getting our hands back into DND, like, traditional D and D. But I never played Five E yet, so I'm Super hyped. And also I just met somebody out here in Colorado that he's introducing me to. The Savage Worlds rule said, I don't know anything about it. So I bought the book, and I'm supposed to meet up, but they were, like, doing, like, kind of, like a Van Helsing Castlevania kind of Raven loft setting, but more on the realistic and technology side. You're not going to see anything truly fantastic. We'll be using, like, whips and Flint locks and stuff like that. I'm really excited about that. He's going to send me his supplement guides so I can check that kind of stuff out. I already made my guy for D and D when I found out they were doing that, so I made a half work bar. He's got just, like, an investigative kind of low key spy background, but he's not really a spy. He just collects information because he always plays around people, so he just hears all the things that's going on. And then I saw one of the other supplemental guides. I'm like, oh, College of the Sword. I'm like, this guy is going to be dope. I'm really excited just to try two different settings altogether. I mean, D and D shouldn't be too hard. I know they kind of streamline a couple of things, but I'm just, like, really excited to get in character again. Yeah. So some of my stuff that I'm wanting to try, of course, we've talked about it offline, but is with Foundry Virtual Tabletop. I've heard of Foundry, one of the new ones out. Like, they've only been around for, what, a little over a year? I think now, maybe a little bit. I've heard of them, but I've never messed with it. So Foundry Virtual, it looks really awesome. I actually purchased a license for it today, and the good thing about it is $50, and I see it and you're done. You get to build everything yourself. If you want to, or you can download, add Ins and whatnot and all that stuff. And one of the things I started investigating was the card game Munchkin, because in their new release for Foundry, they have this new they have a card feature now, and so you can import the pictures of all the cars and everything. And a guy through the Reddit group at Foundry helped me find all of the already pre rendered images. So all I have to do now is cut them and then add them in, and then, of course, add the rule set and we play Munchkin. Nice. I think Munchkin is a great, very quick introductory introduction to RPGs for people that don't play, like table top RPGs. Yeah, I could agree with that. Have you also seen you would have to have a virtual headset, but there's also a virtual table like that VR, so everybody contributes that way. So I've seen that they've ordered in some DND stuff so you could actually move your miniatures and whatnot. I thought that was pretty neat. That's Wild in Foundry. They've got an amazing developer team, and they've got an amazing support community. They're just super helpful, and I'm excited to dive into it. So I guess the thing I want to ask then is would you be up and excited for playing Hero Quest through that? Because that's the big thing that I really want to get people playing again because I miss playing it. I know you've been talking about Hero Quests, and you know what? Sure. I'd be down. You could do one, offer two, or if it turns into a campaign, I'm all for it as well. What's good about that is what's good about that one is a lot of them are they're kind of pre designed, but you can kind of go as you want and kind of free will. It some. And so a lot of the direction in it kind of makes it to where they're quicker campaigns and they go pretty quick. So that's something that I feel like it would be great to kind of start into. And I want to get back into DND. I haven't played five E, and so I'd like to look at that because I forget what edition I started in third Ed and then moved up from there going into the other types. So it was just I'm excited. And I hope other people are excited. I hope other people want to play because I'd like to stream this and have our little game channel maybe once every other week just playing one of these games. Yeah, I'd be blessed. That'd be fun. And you guys get to hear my son screaming in the background. Oh, yeah. Well, you'll get to hear the dogs barking again. And I laugh about that. And I make a joke about that, because if your listeners out there, if you've been following along with us, you probably remember the beagles that were barking in the background sometimes in some of the podcast episodes, earlier ones. So if you go back and listen to some of the earlier ones, you might hear beagles in the background. Because where we were at down in Lawrence County, we had a guy that raised beagles right next door to us, and they don't shut up, ever. It just is crazy. And when we moved up here and we didn't hear the beagles anymore, it's like, oh, my gosh, it's so quiet. Like, what in the world? Beagles are some really loud dogs, and their dogs are so shrill. Just base shrill. All right, well, you know what? I got a question for you then. So have you looked at stuff at roll 20, though, and check with the virtual time? Because I am actually really excited that they did that teaser for the isometric view. I think that will really open up some level editing there. So I looked at it, and the main difference between the two that really intrigued me to go toward Foundry versus role 20 is doing some of the advanced features for role 20. It's a subscription based thing where you're paying per month to use it, whereas with Foundry, you pay $50 for the license, and that's it. I don't have to pay anymore. I can create all of my own stuff, follow things, and do things like that. So that's kind of why I went Foundry versus roll 20. Roll 20 looks great. Don't get me wrong. It's like tomato, tomato. Neither one of them are bad. Neither one of them are just the absolute best. And you've got great things for each one of them. It's just which trade off you go with. And with the Foundry one, it piqued my interest because I get to start developing again, kind of playing with things and growing things and building things, and I like that. And that's where I have fun. As whenever I get to lead a campaign is getting to do that development part. That's fun for me and trying to, I guess, stump the players on how to get through certain things and get around certain things. Yeah, I think that's awesome. I was just not too familiar with boundary, so I wanted to know what your thoughts were. We need to do research with rule 20. I know there have been other things out there that I keep seeing, and actually my wife and I stopped at this place called Gamer Haven in town, and it's just tons of board games have Warhammer, everything and all a bunch of source books. And my wife was like a kid in a candy shop. All these unique board games that you don't really see, like a target, and she actually bought, like, three. And then I saw they have the Yawning. I think it was a Yawning portal, like one of the D and D in. It was huge, and they had it on display, and I was like, I wish I could collect minifigs again. Clearly I can't yet, because I got a toddler who's probably going to eat half of them. But at the same time, when he gets older, that's another thing I would love to do is, hey, let's just buy, like, five miniatures each and try to paint them and do a horrible job that he'd be something fun to do. So I want to actually do all these nerdy things that I could never do with my pop, because when we were younger, nerds were so heavily persecuted. So now I could be like, hey, do the dork stuff with me and don't be judged. It would be great. Yes, that would be exciting. I never got into painting the miniatures or doing the miniatures, because every time I did D and D, it was literally we had books, piece of paper, and that's it. And then our DM literally created the world for us. And once again, like I said, I got a shout out to Joey Cheryl. Just amazing. Dm just how creative he was, but that's how we played. We never did the miniatures. When I found out that DND actually has a huge line of miniatures, I'm like, Why did we never have this? I even went to him, Why didn't we do this? He's like, well, it costs money. I'm like, I would have bought us some. I don't care. This is so cool. And the beauty of 3D printing. I love Hero Forge. I made so many characters, I haven't gotten them. I did, like, one or two prints, but I really can't wait to get a bunch of printed out just for fun. I can't wait to use my 3D printer to make creations of my own. For the Hero Quest set that I have, I bought GameStop pay sell on some of their stuff like that, and they had DND The Adventure Begins set. That's usually $30. I think I paid $10 for it. And so a nice little beginner set too, that I hope to use that to help start everybody off on, because I like it when a group that you're playing with gels really well, and then you can start throwing them into all kinds of different scenarios and epics and all that, and just have fun with it and have so much more fun when they actually work together really well, because I've been in a group where you're just fighting each other and it's just it ends up being chaos and no fun to play the game. I'm very thankful for the DMD group that I have. So I'm looking forward to meeting a whole new group and seeing how I can be dynamically with people actually in person, because I think we also meet in person at the same time we want to do vice versa, so be really nice for that. But I mean, everyone that I played with on Role 20, I think it's been about close to five years now, so we got a pretty decent group, that's all. I'm excited about that. Yeah. I hope we can build this a little group here and have a little just size thing. It's not going to be anything super serious, but something to have fun a couple of times a month and get into some fun games. Well, Nick, thank you so much for joining me for a part two of actually getting into the part of being a gamer dad, whereas in the other one, we went so far deep into who knows what. But it was so much fun. I loved doing that one. This one has moved just as fast. And I'm sorry I had to step away a few times for this crazy dog and everybody listening. You're going to start hearing this dog more often, and I apologize for it, but that's life, and that's how things go. So, Nick, any parting words? No, I got none. Like always, I always have fun. You know what I was going to tell you? You saw on Facebook with the terrifying monitor with my son playing like a giggling monster doll or something. Yeah, I'm just slightly shaken by that. Yeah. No, that was terrifying. So I hit it, and then he found it, and then he started playing with it again. I'm like, and then my wife won't let me throw it away. And I'm like, what is wrong with you? I wanted to share that because I think I just needed to go back to another dad moment of like, oh, this is another good one that we got to talk about. But like you said before, when you're apologizing about the dogs now we're just constantly doing bad things here. That's a dad thing, having to hide a toy from the kid because it makes some kind of weird, crazy sound because I know I've gone through those many times already, and it's like I hear some of this weird noise coming from my child's remote and they're what is that? He's like, it's this. I'm like, give it here. Don't even don't say anything. Just give it here. Because if I freaked out, I was just give it here. You have a Bailey. Just not now. You can't believe it now. All right, guys. Well, thanks once again, Nick, for taking the time to sit down with me to do this part, too. And hopefully we'll get together and maybe have a group and we talk about some DND stuff because I love DND. That's so much fun to me. And I know Hollywood's not his realm. He hasn't really delved into that very much, and I'd like to drag him into that world. Oh, yeah, let's do it. Oh, it would be so much fun. And he's going to hate me for it. But you know what? He needs to be a part of that world. Oh, yeah. So, guys, thank you so much for listening. Remember, you can catch all of our episodes at hnkexp.com. Go check us out there. Give us likes reviews. Follow us all our major podcast outlets. There are links there all of our social media links are there as well. You can rate us now on Spotify. Spotify has opened up ratings. So please go give us a rating. 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